DATING REVELATION: CLARIFYING TOMMY ICE’S CLARIFICATIONS

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This is the fifth installment of my response to Tommy Ice’s article “Answers and Clarifications for Gary DeMar.” You can reference the other four posts here, here, here, and here.  Tommy brings up the dating issue of when Revelation was written. He takes the position that Revelation was written around A.D. 95 while I and many others believe with good exegetical and historical reasons that it was written prior to the destruction of Jerusalem in A.D. 70. Here’s how Tommy presents the issue:

DeMar believes this time-period refers to “the conflagration leading up to the destruction of A.D. 70, the tribulation period.” However, his view presupposes that Revelation was written around A.D. 65, which Mark Hitchcock[1] and most scholars throughout church history have demonstrated is impossible. Since Revelation was most assuredly written in A.D. 95, the question for DeMar is “What does the hour of testing refer to?”

Tommy’s back to “most scholars” again. There are many scholars who believe that Revelation was written before A.D. 70. Kenneth Gentry made a case for the pre-A.D. 70 date in his Th.D. dissertation that was later published in book form as Before Jerusalem Fell: Dating the Book of Revelation.

Dispensationalist writers John Ankerberg and John Weldon write, “[I]ndeed, it is becoming an increasingly persuasive argument that all the New Testament books were written before 70 A.D. — within a single generation of the death of Christ.[2] Josh McDowell takes a similar approach to dating the New Testament books:

Most liberal scholars are being forced to consider earlier dates for the New Testament. Dr. John A. T. Robinson, no conservative himself, comes to some startling conclusions in his groundbreaking book Redating the New Testament. His research has led to his conviction that the whole of the New Testament was written before the fall of Jerusalem in A.D. 70 (Robinson, RNT).[3]

As Gentry and others have pointed out and Ice fails to acknowledge, the pre-A.D. 70 date of composition for Revelation has a long and distinguished history. Consider the following from “The Identification of Babylon the Harlot in the Book of Revelation” written by D. Ragan Ewing in partial fulfillment of the requirements for the Master of Theology degree at Dallas Theological Seminary, a bastion of dispensational thinking.

New Testament scholars such as C. F. D. Moule[4], Joseph Fitzmyer[5], F. F. Bruce[6], E. Earle Ellis[7], and J. A. T. Robinson[8] have all recently supported the early date position.[9]

Moreover, this is far from novel. In reality, these writers are merely returning to what was once the foregone conclusion of nearly the entire New Testament studies world. As Wilson notes, “Throughout the nineteenth century the majority of New Testament scholars favored a pre-70 dating of the Book of Revelation.”[10] Robinson echoes, “It is indeed a little known fact that this [a pre-70 date] was what Hort calls ‘the general tendency of criticism’ for most of the nineteenth century… .”[11]) Indeed Lightfoot, Westcott, Hort, and a host of others held strongly to an early dating of the book[12], so much so that one author in Lightfoot’s day agreed this date to be “universally accepted by all competent critics.”[13]

Tommy offers no contrary scholarship to the pre-A.D. 70 date except to say that most scholars agree with him. The problem for Tommy is that there are lots of scholars that don’t agree with him, and the list is growing every year.

Endnotes:

1. Mark Hitchcock, “A Defense of the Domitianic Date of the Book of Revelation” (PhD dissertation, Dallas Theological Seminary, December 2005).

2. John Ankerberg and John Weldon, Ready With An Answer: For the Tough Questions About God (Eugene, OR: Harvest House Publishers, 1997), 364–365.

3. Josh McDowell, Evidence for Christianity: Historical Evidences for the Christian Faith (Nashville, TN: Thomas Nelson, 2006), 80.

4. Though hesitantly: “The Apocalypse may be before A.D. 70″ (C. F. D. Moule, The Birth of Christianity, 3d ed. [San Francisco, CA: Harper & Row, 1982], 174).

5. J. A. Fitzmeyer, Review of Redating the New Testament, by J. A. T. Robinson, Interpretation 32, no.3, (July 1978): 309–13.

6. F. F. Bruce, New Testament History (New York: Doubleday, 1969), 411.

7. E. Earle Ellis, The Making of the New Testament Documents, Biblical Interpretation Series, ed. R. Alan Culpepper and Rolf Rendtorff, vol. 39 (Leiden: Brill, 1999), 210–16.

8. J. A. T. Robinson, Redating the New Testament (Philadelphia, PA: Westminster, 1976), 221–53.

9. It is an interesting side note that while the discipline of New Testament studies has inclined toward a late date in the past century, modern classicists seem to continue to be persuaded of the earlier date position (See intriguing discussion by Robinson, Redating, 225).

10. J. Christian Wilson, “The Problem of the Domitianic Date of Revelation,” New Testament Studies 39 (October 1993): 587.

11. Robinson, Redating, 224. Robinson goes on to cite Peake regarding the “remarkable consensus of ‘both advanced and conservative scholars’ who backed it,” (Robinson, Redating, 225) and even remarks wittily that, “It must have been one of the few things on which Baur and Lightfoot agreed!” (Robinson, Redating, 225, note 25.

12. Robinson, Redating, 224.

13. J. B. Lightfoot, Essays on the Work of Supernatural Religion (London: Macmillan, 1889), 132 (italics mine), citing the anonymous author of Supernatural Religion.

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7 Comments

  1. Len says:

    To Dispensationalists, confirmation that Revelation was written early and referred to the destruction of Jerusalem and not some future event would be the death knell for their whole house of cards, therefore they will defend a late date no matter what the evidence might show. Their theology and income stream depends on a late date.

  2. Kevin says:

    Your point is well taken, but as a novice at prophetical hermeneutics, my question is, certainly this entire prophecy hasn’t been fulfilled, has it? I wouldn’t underestimate the possibility that maybe it refers back to the Babylonian fall, Daniel, the Roman fall, imminent at the time, and also have future implications? There are no shortages of cyclical events throughout history, are there? I completely buy this teaching, it just seems to me that the entire book of Revelation has not yet been fulfilled. And before you go angry Pharisee on me, has Christ indeed loosed the seven seals? What about the 144,000 sealed Jews? Is Satan in the Lake of Fire? I’m not at all trying to argue, I just need more information. What is a good pm commentary on the Revelation of Christ?

  3. Lori Gibson says:

    Kevin, Our mistake is found in Daniel 7 relating to the four beasts…that have already arisen. But they are the future beasts that will arise in our end-time-prophecy, today! The word ‘before’ is not as most commentators are translating it … as meaning ‘former’ or ‘preceding.’ In a Bible concordance with a Chaldee dictionary we find the accuracy of the meaning of this important word. Daniel 7:7 has the Chaldee ‘qodam’, which means: ‘in front of’ or ‘in the presence of.’ Therefore, it means that the other three beasts in Daniel 7:4-6 stood in front of and in the presence of, the fouth beast . . . which is now being formed as the fourth beast with the 10 horns of the toes of the feet of Nebuchanezzar’s toes. All these forecasted nations are dead and gone…and the fifth kingdom of Clay with some of the iron left in it…is the Muslim Islamic Arabic people! In Daniel 7:2 Daniel sees these beasts arising out the “Great Sea,” now called “The Mediterranean Sea, the Middle East beast of antichrist of which we have not witnessed as yet! The One World Order will be connected with this last beast in some way or other.

    I am 83 years old, son Kevin, and most of those who receive my lessons call me: mum or mom.

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